It's fragile, alright; he just confessed to the man. Initially, he'd done it over text message, but after some gentle persuasion from a couple of concerned friends, he met with him in person.
They're both fine now, as far as I'm aware. Mr. Yashiki was quite content with the way everything turned out.
(this clarifies some of the oddities with yashiki's confession and the resulting conversation he had with him. he could chastise spock for "meddling" in their affairs, but he's not totally human. to quantify and qualify loveβan oxymoronically simple and complex emotion the most famous romance writers, like keats and shakespeare, experts of their craft, struggled to doβone has to embrace it and let it in. furthermore, it was yashiki who asked for his advice. spock did the only logical thing and responded in the way he concluded was best.
this is frustrating for several reasons.
kirk must close his eyes a moment before he's able to respond in the way he's been responding for years: slowly and gently.)
Mr. Yashiki must have been grateful to you for providing him with such a response. It certainly would've made him consider more seriously what his partner felt and wanted. That was an invaluable perspective, even if it's not one he chose to adopt himself.
Spock, love often involves a list of pro et contra considerations whose negatives may very well outweigh the positives. The very nature of it is contrary.
[ "You're not capable of love," Michael had told him once. "I am," he had stated resolutely, as full of determination and fire at such a young age as he would ever be.
"I feel sorrier for you than I do for him because you'll never know the things that love can drive a man to," McCoy had told him years later. "All of these things you'll never know simply because the word 'love' isn't written into your book." This, he had not tried to fight. Along the way he'd lost the need to keep trying.
He is capable of love. But Jim Kirk understands it far better than he ever will. ]
I had no doubt that he would receive encouragement from those with similar worldviews if he sought them out. The case remains to me that humans place undue focus onto the emotion. There are many other concrete factors which cannot and should not be ignored, Jim.
(his heart feels as though it's in his throat, but his focus only improves when his pulse has risen. would he have preferred it to remain about yashiki and mashita when it so clearly is not?
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I agree with you, Spock, but I'd like to know a few of the factors you're referring to.
They were all concerns which he himself shared with me.
Their relationship is already one he finds agreeable and making this decision puts that at risk. He is aware that having a deeper connection with him could potentially endanger him. He is also concerned that he will begin to define his life by his terms and no longer by his own. He believes that he will hurt him through his actions.
[ The vague use of pronouns only, whether by conscious design or not, is intentional. It doesn't matter, after all. Not truly. ]
They're complicated reasons that deserve a great deal of thought.
No one wants to put the individual they love at risk or injure them in any way, physically or emotionally. This is why a confession is a conversation. It's not simply a declaration of love and intent, but a series of questions asked and answered.
There is, ultimately, no perfect solution. I think he knew that and made the decision to strive for one by asking the only person who could help.
That relies on two assumptions. The first is that the person confessing has that same awareness and approaches it carefully. The second is that the one receiving that confession is capable of hearing it and providing for the needs of the former.
Beyond the societal expectations that they will be required to navigate, there is also the matter of the effect of the conversation itself. Whether or not he had been successful in obtaining the relationship he desired, those words would engender feelings and thoughts which would not be forgotten.
It could be that being with the man he loves outstrips the pressures created by societal and occupational expectations.
(a bitter, bitter helplessness creeps up the back of his neck, finally understanding what spock's trying to communicate to him. in disguise, too, which leaves him unable to call it like it is. he can't do much more than flounder back with a positive opinion where his first officer's favours the negative. the realistic.
kirk stalls, momentarily unable to type.)
There is never any need to rush an important decision; awareness and careful approach are paramount.
If I had known more about his concernsβor had asked what they were before he'd made up his mind, as I should'veβI would have encouraged him to consider every possibility, both negative and positive. This is the only way to make a balanced decision that isn't skewed to one side or the other.
I accept that from a human perspective this could very well be the case.
[ And in this circumstance his use of the word "human" both is and isn't meant to create an extra barrier between them. Yes, his outlook is distinct. No, he doesn't mean to disregard the opposing side.
But this is a largely blind analysis he's conducting. ]
And I took it into consideration. However, he spoke of the already high quality of their relationship, as I have said. Those feelings of affection exist with or without a romantic inclination. He could have had a rewarding experience without jeopardizing their positions.
[ Could.
There is no room in his breakdown for a "leap of faith". ]
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[ oh boy ]
o i know π
(no, i will not stop hamming it up)
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[ No, I am not here to discuss your increasingly overt love confessions. ]
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Yes, I met him some time ago. When we first arrived, I paid a visit to the underground and found him lying in a gutter. We have the occasional lunch.
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This sounds like it is in accordance with my experience.
He recently messaged me for advice on a sensitive issue; it was the beginning of our interaction.
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Did Mr. Touchdown have a hand in this? He and I are the only connection you'd have to Mr. Yashiki, as far as I'm aware.
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He had believed he was contacting Mr. Touchdown and continued with that presumption even after I had responded.
[ do you see my issue here ]
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I have reason to believe his current emotional state may be fragile. As you are his friend, I wished to inform you.
[ woob ]
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They're both fine now, as far as I'm aware. Mr. Yashiki was quite content with the way everything turned out.
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What a mixup. Really, you two are nothing alike whatsoever.
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I see. Then he has indeed persisted.
It was unexpected to be so suddenly questioned on such topics and I am unaware of how he obtained my contact information in lieu of Mr. Touchdown's.
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(know what? he's too tired)
What do you mean by "persisted"?
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[ yes it fucking is, captain ]
I mean that he has ignored my advice as he warned me he might.
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(the "why?" is heavily implied here)
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[ And it takes a moment before he continues, knowing that the response is insufficient. ]
The reasons he gave that he should avoid doing so outnumbered those to the contrary. Both in quantity and in quality.
[ With the obvious logical flaw here being Spock's relative inexperience with the sheer strength and value of romantic love. ]
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this is frustrating for several reasons.
kirk must close his eyes a moment before he's able to respond in the way he's been responding for years: slowly and gently.)
Mr. Yashiki must have been grateful to you for providing him with such a response. It certainly would've made him consider more seriously what his partner felt and wanted. That was an invaluable perspective, even if it's not one he chose to adopt himself.
Spock, love often involves a list of pro et contra considerations whose negatives may very well outweigh the positives. The very nature of it is contrary.
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"I feel sorrier for you than I do for him because you'll never know the things that love can drive a man to," McCoy had told him years later. "All of these things you'll never know simply because the word 'love' isn't written into your book." This, he had not tried to fight. Along the way he'd lost the need to keep trying.
He is capable of love. But Jim Kirk understands it far better than he ever will. ]
I had no doubt that he would receive encouragement from those with similar worldviews if he sought them out. The case remains to me that humans place undue focus onto the emotion. There are many other concrete factors which cannot and should not be ignored, Jim.
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I agree with you, Spock, but I'd like to know a few of the factors you're referring to.
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Their relationship is already one he finds agreeable and making this decision puts that at risk. He is aware that having a deeper connection with him could potentially endanger him. He is also concerned that he will begin to define his life by his terms and no longer by his own. He believes that he will hurt him through his actions.
[ The vague use of pronouns only, whether by conscious design or not, is intentional. It doesn't matter, after all. Not truly. ]
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No one wants to put the individual they love at risk or injure them in any way, physically or emotionally. This is why a confession is a conversation. It's not simply a declaration of love and intent, but a series of questions asked and answered.
There is, ultimately, no perfect solution. I think he knew that and made the decision to strive for one by asking the only person who could help.
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Beyond the societal expectations that they will be required to navigate, there is also the matter of the effect of the conversation itself. Whether or not he had been successful in obtaining the relationship he desired, those words would engender feelings and thoughts which would not be forgotten.
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(a bitter, bitter helplessness creeps up the back of his neck, finally understanding what spock's trying to communicate to him. in disguise, too, which leaves him unable to call it like it is. he can't do much more than flounder back with a positive opinion where his first officer's favours the negative. the realistic.
kirk stalls, momentarily unable to type.)
There is never any need to rush an important decision; awareness and careful approach are paramount.
If I had known more about his concernsβor had asked what they were before he'd made up his mind, as I should'veβI would have encouraged him to consider every possibility, both negative and positive. This is the only way to make a balanced decision that isn't skewed to one side or the other.
The rest is a leap of faith.
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[ And in this circumstance his use of the word "human" both is and isn't meant to create an extra barrier between them. Yes, his outlook is distinct. No, he doesn't mean to disregard the opposing side.
But this is a largely blind analysis he's conducting. ]
And I took it into consideration. However, he spoke of the already high quality of their relationship, as I have said. Those feelings of affection exist with or without a romantic inclination. He could have had a rewarding experience without jeopardizing their positions.
[ Could.
There is no room in his breakdown for a "leap of faith". ]
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